*shrugs* I think we're going to have to philosophically disagree because I believe it's the intent that counts. While you may see them, if you aren't actively looking for the cars, but are looking for the space between them, in my mind you'd be looking for the space regardless of whether you see the cars. But I can see we both have different definitions here and philosophies (being able to find the space without getting bogged down by the fist you're seeing is something you strive for in Bujinkan) so we might as well drop it.